Let’s Build a Common American Culture

The United States Senate has moved us one giant step closer to fixing our immigration system. After weeks of debate, dozens of proposed amendments, and scores of votes, the Senate last Thursday passed the first comprehensive immigration bill in nearly a quarter century. The changes to immigration law that will follow have major implications for the entire nation. While the House and Senate still must come together to work out the final details of a bill for the President to sign, the Senate’s vote brings the most important elements of a new immigration system into focus. America’s revised immigration system will do far more to secure our borders, meet our economy’s labor needs, support a common culture, and uphold our standards of compassion.

Most importantly, the new immigration bill begins the process of constructing a combination of actual and virtual fences across every inch of our 1,951-mile-long border with Mexico. In places that need them, the Senate bill will build 370 miles of new physical barriers. In other locations, the bill will fund a variety of sensors and electronic means to detect intrusion. The bill also supports new efforts to provide Customs and Border Protection with additional personnel, facilities, and aircraft. While border security ranks first among our concerns, sensible immigration cannot stop there. Many men and women who once violated immigration laws have spent years living in the United States, working, paying taxes, and raising families.

The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that over 11 million illegal immigrants live in the United States. California has the most at 2.5 million. Many illegal immigrants now have children who have entirely immersed themselves in American culture. Forcing long-term illegal residents to quit jobs, abandon families, and leave the country just isn’t feasible. Since they’ve violated our laws, however, long-term illegal residents should have to pay fines, learn to speak English fluently, master the basics of American government, show that they lack serious criminal records, and get in line behind those who have followed the rules. Only then should we even entertain their applications for citizenship. Finally, some people – those who came here illegally in the last two years – will simply have to return home and apply through the regular, legal channels if they ever hope to work in America. There will be no way they can find work otherwise. Those who come to the U.S. in the future will have to take advantage of existing visa categories or new guest-worker programs. Our revised immigration system will also take steps to uphold America’s common culture.

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For the first time in history, the Senate bill establishes English as our national language. To further underline the importance of our common culture, the bill would also tighten the standards for the tests on American history and civics that everyone seeking citizenship will have to pass. Finally, the new immigration proposals show compassion for those who come to our borders. The overwhelming majority of people who violate our immigration laws simply wish to work hard and raise their families. They do need to pay restitution, but we can’t treat them all like common criminals. The bill, indeed, contains provisions to crack down on serious criminals: the ultra-violent MS-13 street gang that menaces Latino communities throughout our nation. Another provision will require Customs and Border Protection to develop a national strategy for counting and reducing deaths along the borders. We have a moral obligation to protect the life of every person who sets foot on American soil.

To help alleviate the economic conditions in Mexico that drive much illegal immigration, finally, another provision will require the government to focus our foreign aid toward it. The new immigration law will help bring over 10% of the city’s population out of the shadows, enormously enhance our security, bring our economy the labor it needs, and teach the newest Americans essential elements of American culture, including reinforcing the need to speak English. The new immigration bill, in short, will honor the rule of law, make all of us safer, and uphold America’s longstanding heritage as a nation of immigrants.

Senator Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) is a writer, pilot, marathon runner, and medical doctor. He was first elected to the U.S. Senate in 1994, the first time since 1928 that a practicing physician was elected to the Senate. He serves on the Health-Education-Labor-Pensions committee.


18 Comments on “Let’s Build a Common American Culture

  1. You bet they do, but Senator Frist’s staff forgot to check in with the myriad of groups like M.E.Ch.A.,and La Raza to see if they’re in alignment with what that culture should look like. They also forgot to check in with Venezuela’s president, Hugo Ch?vez who also wants a common culture, but it’s not the one that our good Senator envisions either.

    But for now we’ll keep it simple. Lets check in with the good students attending California State University, San Marcos, who are members of schools Chapter of M.E.Ch.A.

    Many of them U.S. citizens [14th Ammendment anchor babies] would like you to understand their agenda. So they’ve graciously spelled it out on their web site. I’ve summarized the main points below. The full text can be viewed at:

    [click on ?About? and then ?What is MEChA??]



    The fundamental principles that led to the founding of Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztl?n are found in El Plan de Santa Barbara (EPDSB). The Manifesto of EPDSB sees self-determination for the Chicana and Chicano Chicano and Chicana Movement in El Plan Espiritual de Aztl?n (EPEDA). A synopsis of El Plan stipulates:

    1) We are Chicanos and Chicanas of Aztl?n reclaiming the land of out birth (Chicano and Chicana Nation);

    2) Aztl?n belongs to indigenous people, who are sovereign and not subject to a foreign culture;

    3) We are a union of free pueblos forming a bronze nation;

    4) Chicano and Chicana nationalism, as the key in mobilization and organization, is the common denominator to bring consensus to the Chicano and Chicana Movement;

    5) Cultural values strengthen our identity as La Familia de La Raza; and

    6) EPEDA, as a basic plan of Chicano and Chicana liberation, sought the formation of an independent national political party that would represent the sentiments of the Chicano and Chicana community.



  2. Gangs have literally exploded exponentially across the U.S. over the past couple of decades. Once confined to a small handful of major metropolitan areas, they now populate nearly every city and small town in America. Worse yet, these gangs, once isolated by geography, have organized as they’ve spread and are now an interconnected virulent network spreading crime and destruction.

    Lets take one of these gangs as an example.

    The street gang Mara Salvatrucha [Mara’ is a Salvadoran word for gang, and ‘Salvatrucha’ means Salvadoran guy] formed 20 years ago in the immigrant west neighborhoods near downtown L-A

    Known as M-S-13, one of the most violent organizations on the plant, the gang has between 30-thousand and 50-thousand members in a half dozen countries, with estimates of ten thousand members in the United States spreading from California to more than 30 other states and the nation’s capitol; where after a number of high-profile murders, blamed on MS-13, in Washington Suburbs, FBI Director Mueller ordered a crackdown. After all, you can?t have gangs shooting it out near the president house.

    MS-13 ?emigrating? from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, countries cracking down on gang members, are finding the United States quite attractive and entering more frequently because of those laws [and dare I say ours]. Only 25% the U.S. prison population is comprised of illegal ?immigrants?, what?s a few more?

    Peddle to the metal, open borders all the way?

  3. In October 2003, former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm stunned a Washington, DC audience with a spellbinding speech ?HOW TO DESTROY AMERICA.?

    The article ?HOW TO DESTROY AMERICA? by Frosty Wooldridge can be found in its entirety at:


    Lamm said, ‘If you believe that America is too smug, to self-satisfied, too rich, then let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall, and that, ‘An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.’
    Based on historical precedent, Lamm?s outline for how to destroy America was to:
    ‘First, :turn America into a bilingual or multi lingual and bicultural country. History shows??

    Second, ‘Invent ‘multiculturalism’ and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that??

    Third, ?make the United States an ‘Hispanic Quebec’?encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with? ?

    Fourth, ?I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.’

    Fifth, ??get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of ‘Victimology’. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.’
    Sixth, the ?plan for America’s downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate ??

    ‘Next to last, he ?would place all subjects off limits-make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of ‘diversity’. I would find a word similar to ‘heretic’ in the 16th century-that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like ‘racist’ or ‘xenophobe’ halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual–bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of ‘Victimology’, I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would ??

    ?Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hansen’s book ‘MEXIFORNIA’. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don’t read that book.’

    According to observer, Frosty Wooldridge, ?There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew?It reminded me of George Orwell’s book, ‘1984’. In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: ‘War is peace,’ ‘Freedom is slavery,’ and ‘Ignorance is strength.’ I sat there as one of this country’s most patriotic Americans, Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that ??

    To read the entire article link to:

  4. Having verified the content at http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/hispanic.asp you get a good idea from the following quotes, sentiments inconsistent with ‘Common American Culture’ that Frist described; but that accurately portray the sentiments of our ‘GUESTS’.

    Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets:

    ‘Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth
    Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future.
    You are old and tired. Go on.
    We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats.
    You old white people. It is your duty to die.
    Through love of having children, we are going to take over,’

    Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council:

    ‘They’re afraid we’re going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They’re right. We will take them over . . . We are here to stay.’

    (NOTES: Richard Alatorre served in the California State Assembly from 1973 to 1985 and was a member of the Los Angeles City Council from 1985 to 1999. He was twice fined for violating conflict of interest provisions while a council member, and in 2001 he agreed to plead guilty to a federal criminal charge of felony tax evasion, admitting that ‘he failed to report to the Internal Revenue Service nearly $42,000 in cash he received from individuals attempting to influence [him] in his official duties.’ Proposition 209 was passed by 54% of California voters in November 1996.)

    Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico:

    ‘The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.’

    Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas;

    ‘We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it.’

    Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party:

    ‘Remember 187–proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens–was the last gasp of white America in California.’

    (NOTE: A month after making this statement, Art Torres was appointed Chairman of the California Democratic Party, a position he holds as of 2006.) OH BOY!

    Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor:

    ‘We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . .I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, ‘I’m going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back.’

    Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and
    California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton:

    ‘California is going to be a Hispanic State. Anyone who doesn’t like it should leave.’

    Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General:

    ‘We are practicing ‘La Reconquista’ in California.’

    Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University:

    ‘We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos . . .’

    Are these just the words of a few extremists? Hardly, a book could be filled with such quotes by mainstream Mexican [American] leaders.

    These people and others like them threaten U.S. sovereignty; in fact many of the comments could be defined as treacherous sedition and/or traitorous.

    What other country would tolerate that?


  5. So, is ERE starting a political section to deal with this type of stuff then? Maybe have a proper place for those to hash it out so it can stay out of the discussion groups it shouldn’t be in? If so, Kudos…

    Just curious, since I don’t see where Bill Frist has an actual recruiting or HR experience in his background, though of course he has political experience, specifically the Health-Education-Labor-Pensions committee.

    Anyway, regardless of politics, welcome Bill.

    Back on the subject: here is a great article over at http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4620 entitled ‘Immigration Quotas vs. Individual Rights: The Moral and Practical Case for Open Immigration’

  6. Sherry —

    You asked ‘Is ERE starting a political section to deal with this type of stuff then? Maybe have a proper place for those to hash it out so it can stay out of the discussion groups it shouldn’t be in? If so, Kudos…’

    This section is one such place:


    If you have trouble with the link, it’s at the following path on the ERE site:
    home > groups > legislation

  7. Todd, thanks for the response.
    I familiar with that group, I was just looking as the article in a broader scope, since the turmoil that seems to occur in that group. Also given the fact that it is written by Bill Frist and not one of the ERE regular contributors. But if that is the accepted discussion area for politics, than I do appreciate the clarification. I have re read the description amd I can see how this article does fit in there.

  8. The Failed States Index
    By FOREIGN POLICY & the Fund for Peace

    July/August 2005

    America is now threatened less by conquering states than we are by failing ones.? That was the conclusion of the 2002 U.S. National Security Strategy.

    How do you know a failed state when you see one?

    ? Of course, a government that has lost control of its territory?
    ? The geography of weak states reveals a territorial expanse that extends from Moscow to Mexico City?
    ? Demographic factors, especially population pressures stemming from refugees, internally displaced populations, and environmental degradation, are also found in most at-risk countries?

    Identifying the signs of state failure is easier than crafting solutions, but pinpointing where state collapse is likely is a necessary first step.

    Maybe it?s just time to take that first step?

  9. India: Positive Story: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=95&page=3
    Can India Overtake China?
    By Tarun Khanna, Yasheng Huang

    The negatives:

    India is a sprawling, messy democracy riven by ethnic and religious tensions

    Bangalore is hardly representative of the rest of India, and it will take many more such miracles to spread the wealth to other parts of the country. Neither is Bangalore?s continued success by any means assured. The city is choking on congestion and could well go the way of chaotic, dysfunctional Bombay. Corruption remains rampant in Indian politics and thwarts economic and social progress. The judicial system is burdened with frivolous lawsuits that hamper development projects.

  10. ?What evidence?[is there] that multi-language, multi-cultural civilizations fail??

    Plenty Shalesh ! Plenty !

    A stroll down the memory lane of history demonstrates the devastating impact of multi-language, multi-cultural phenomenon [quite clearly]. Geek and Roman civilizations are but two examples of empires that fell as a result of cultural shifts resulting from the pressures and influences of ?immigration? by migrants. Why do you think the Chinese built its ?Great Wall??

    Look at the Balkans. In fact look up the definition of balkanization. It?s not pretty.

    Want more evidence?

    I give you one word: Iraq [ethnic violence]?
    Israeli and Palestinian conflict?
    How about the former Soviet [Union]?and the current Russian [stans]?
    The list goes on-and-on-and?well, you get the picture.

    BUT, unfortunately, YOU MISSED THE REAL POINT and BIGGER PICTURE ! For all the dysfunction that multi-language, multi-cultural conditions impose, they are but two of the indicators of eminent civil collapse.

    If you?re up to the challenge read Jared Diamond?s most recent book Collapse a thousand [pages +/-] that address the forces that undermine a civilizations survival.

    For a shorter read, look at modern day INDIA [that country on the watch for the 21st century] !

    Plan B: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress and a Civilization in Trouble

    India: Despite a half-century of unprecedented economic and social development, there are still 875 million adults who are illiterate?unable to take advantage of this basic stepping stone to the modern world. Not only is there a huge number of illiterate adults, but their ranks are being fed by the 115 million children who do not attend school.



    On August 13, 1999, World Watch writers Lester R. Brown and Brian Halweil wrote:


    Hum?lets see why ! I?ve summarized their facts, you can read the full article at: http://www.worldwatch.org/press/news/1999/08/13/.

    ? In 1999 India’s population surpassed one billion
    ? One half of the adults are illiterate
    ? More than half of all children are undernourished
    ? One third of the people live below the poverty line.
    ? Each year India is adding 18 million people, roughly another Australia.
    ? By 2050, U.N. India will added another 530 million totaling 1.5 billion.
    ? India will overtake China by 2045, becoming the world’s most populous country.

    ? Well before hitting the one billion mark, the demands of India’s population were outrunning its natural resource base.
    ? This can be seen in its shrinking forests, deteriorating rangelands, and falling water tables.

    ? India has tripled grain harvest; but food production has barely kept up with population.
    ? Rice productivity has doubled, wheat has more than tripled.
    ? Earlier maturing, and high-yield doubles crop
    ? Rise in grainland productivity in India is slowing as it is in many other countries.
    ? Continuing shrinkage of cropland per person now threatens India’s food security.
    ? In 1960, each Indian had an average of 0.21 hectares of grainland.
    ? By 1999, the average had dropped to 0.10 hectares per person, or less than half as much. And by 2050, it is projected to shrink to a meager 0.07 hectares per person.
    ? At this point, an Indian family of five will have to produce their wheat or rice on 0.35 hectares of land or less than one acre-the size of a building lot in a middle class U.S. suburb.

    ? Falling water tables are now also threatening India’s food production.
    ? The International Water Management Institute (IWMI) estimates that withdrawals of underground water are double the rate of aquifer recharge. As a result, water tables are falling almost everywhere.
    ? If pumping of water is double the recharge of an aquifer, then eventual depletion of the aquifer will reduce water pumped by half.
    ? In a country where irrigated land accounts for 55 percent of the grain harvest and where the lion’s share of irrigation water comes from underground, falling water tables are generating concern.
    ? The IWMI estimates that aquifer depletion could reduce India ‘s grain harvest by one fourth.
    ? Falling water tables will likely lead to rising grain prices on a scale that could destabilize not only grain markets, but possibly the government itself.
    ? With 53 percent of all children already undernourished and underweight, any drop in food supply can quickly become life threatening.

    ILLITERACY [Unfortunately the ?glass? is not even half-full]
    ? With a staggering 338 million children under 15 years of age, India is also facing a major challenge on the educational front.
    ? Despite efforts to educate its people during the 52 years since it achieved independence in 1947, some 54 percent of adults in the world’s largest democracy cannot read or write.
    ? Failure to provide adequate education has undermined efforts to slow population growth since female access to education is a key to smaller families.

    ? Providing enough jobs for the 10 million new entrants into the job market each year is even more difficult.
    ? Nowhere is this more evident than in agriculture where the number of farms increased from 48 million in 1960 to 105 million in 1990.
    ? Meanwhile, the average farm shrank from 2.7 hectares to less than 1.6 hectares, a reduction of some 42 percent.
    ? By 2020, the land will pass to another generation-and another round of fragmentation will occur, shrinking farm size even more, threatening the ability of those living on the land to earn a livelihood, and triggering a potential migration from the land that could inundate India’s cities.

    ? After several decades of rapid population growth, the government of India, overwhelmed by sheer numbers, is suffering from demographic fatigue.
    ? After trying to educate all the children coming of school age, trying to find jobs for all the young people coming into the job market, and trying to deal with the environmental fallout of rapid population growth, such as deforestation and soil erosion, India’s leaders are worn down and its fiscal resources spread thin.

    ? As a result, when a new threat emerges, such as aquifer depletion, the government is not able to respond effectively. If this decrease in water supplies causes food production to drop, death rates may start to rise.
    ? As noted earlier, India’s population is projected to reach 1.5 billion by 2050, but there are doubts as to whether the natural resource base will support such growth. These projections will not materialize either because India accelerates the shift to smaller families, alleviating the projected additional stress on the resource base by reducing births, or because it fails to do so and the combination of deteriorating conditions pushes up death rates.
    ? The prospect of rising death rates as a result of aquifer depletion is no longer as hypothetical as it once seemed.
    ? Death rates are already rising in Africa, where governments, also overwhelmed by several decades of rapid population growth, have been unable to respond effectively to the HIV epidemic.
    ? As a result, adult infection rates already exceed 20 percent in several countries, including Botswana, South Africa, and Zimbabwe. In the absence of a medical breakthrough, these countries will likely lose on e fifth of their adult population within the next decade.
    ? In Zimbabwe, a model of development in Africa until a few years ago, life expectancy has fallen from 60 years in 1990 to 44 years at present and is expected to drop to 39 years by 2010.

    PAYING THE PRICE [in a democracy of complacent, lazy, and of ignorant voters].
    ? In some ways, India today is paying the price for its earlier indiscretions when, despite its impoverished state, it invested in a costly effort to design and produce nuclear weapons and succeeded in becoming a member of the nuclear club.
    ? As a result, it now has a nuclear arsenal capable of protecting the largest concentration of impoverished citizens on earth.
    ? Even today, India spends 2.5 percent of its GNP for military purposes but only 0.7 percent on health, which includes family planning.
    ? Unless India can quickly reorder priorities, it risks falling into a demographic dark hole, one where population will beg in to slow because death rates are rising.
    ? It may be time for India to redefine security.
    ? The principal threat now may not be military aggression from without but population growth from within.



  11. Brandon,

    I share your love of country, but this diatribe of yours is bizarre. What evidence does the former (the operative word here) Gov of Colorado have that multi-language, multi-cultural civilizations fail? India has 14 different languages on the Rupee and it is widely considered one of the countries to watch for the 21st century.

    The United States is already a miracle of diversity. Even after forced immigration (slavery), no permanent underclass has destroyed America. How then could people who willingly come here to work and make a better life for themselves and their children destroy our country?

    I think a stronger case could be made that America will be destroyed if we don’t expand immigration quickly. The work of America needs to be done — either onshore with more immigrants or offshore through outsourcing. As Gov Schwarzenneger wrote two months ago, how can Lou Dobbs and the Minutemen/Black Helicopter/Paranoia crowd simultaneously be against expanded immigration and outsourcing?

    As I wrote earlier, let markets work and let them lead us to continued fast growth, more jobs, and the innovation brought by hungry people with different ideas.

  12. ‘let markets work and let them lead us to continued fast growth, more jobs, and the innovation brought by hungry people with different ideas.’

    Shalesh, That comment was so dead on, it needed to be repeated.

  13. Shalesh:

    There is considerable historic evidence to support the destruction of multi-lingual societies; there is more to support the stagnation of multi-cultural societies.

    Truth is, that while I enjoy all the ethnic food and color here in New York, diversity is a net loser for any civilization in the short (say 500 years)haul. Highly successful civilizations tend to be homogenous

    I would point out that while India has 14 languages; you are here and I have no desire to be there.

    We do rely on immigration–we always have. It’s a good thing but a good thing must be done well in order to remain good.
    Allowing larger numbers than can be absorbed is not immigration but invasion.
    Encouraging those to hold on to inferior cultural patterns that effectively ruined their homelands in the name of ethnic pride or diversity is the equivalent of carrying garbage into the house instead of to the kerb.

    I would recommend Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire as summer reading.

  14. Asking if America was EVER homogeneous misses the point entirely.

    I probably can’t top Bill’s succinct analysis, but let me add my two cents…

    Don?t confuse fusion with fission.

    The American cultural ethic [principles] is grounded in the philosophy, ideology, and doctrine of the melting pot. English is the common language of the land, and I dare say it won?t be long until it?s finally canonized by congress. Closing the borders will help. Requiring new immigrants, such as the Senate is proposing, to learn English is a good step. Many confuse multi-culturalism with diversity. They?re not the same?so get a grip. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the flavors of the soup of ones heritage of that of others. Just don?t call soup?salad. The celebration of multi-culturalism is a very recent phenomenon born of the latter half of the last century. It celebrates the separateness [apartheid] of the salad bowl doctrine. And dare I say it could only happen in America !

    My wife traces roots from both sides of her family back to the 1600?s and 1700?s. My family origins go back to the 1800?s. My German ancestors adopted English. We all speak the American version of English. Our family appreciates the value of cultural exchange. My wife and I have traveled. Our son was an AFS foreign exchange student for the academic year [?93-94] in Germany, where he became FLUENT is his host countries language, [speaking barely a word of it before he went] and keeps in touch with this host family to this day. What do you think he speaks at home in America? No one can tell me that immigrants, legal or otherwise, can?t do the same, unless they?re either stupid or lazy. In either case, America has enough stupid and lazy citizens. We don?t need to ad more. I like the American Melting Pot culture just the way it is?leave the salad bowl for others to pick apart[heid].

    My suggestion, get more people like Karen, people with passion and the intelligence to learn and apply their new native homeland?s language.

    Karen is right. ACCEPTANCE IS THE KEY. In order to avoid problems, when one goes to another country, they have an obligation to accept the culture and ways of their host country. Even President Fox would agree. He would tell you, cross into Mexican territory legally. Don?t raise the American flag above an upsidedown Mexican flag. If you wish to vote forget it. Leave when your visa expires. Obey our laws. He would tell you, if you chose to impose you gringo ways on Mexico, come try [if you?re foolish], see what happens, and see who has the problem.

  15. As I read this, I scratch my head and go hmmmm…
    I wonder if anyone can tell me when was America ever completely homogenous? and I mean EVER?

    From the Beginning there were Different languages from the NATIVES from the many tribes.

    Then Came the ‘foreigners’ – let’s see – they came from Sweden, Italy, Japan, China, Britain, Russia, India, The Carribean… well you get the idea.

    Then there was a vote, what language should we choose to have – English one just by ONE vote. Yet even then many individuals still grouped in preferences of their culture.. Take a look at The Midwest for the large Number of Scandanavians, San Francisco for Asian, New York for the Italian Demographics. Look at the Mixed cultures of Chicago, Los Angeles and Miami.. All these Cities thrive on their diversity.

    Now in considering the Argument that Mr. Wager brought to the table.. well I find it interesting that All of the Largest Cities In America, the ones with the Largest Wealth and prosperity are also the most Diverse.

    It was the diversity, the different cultures that helped create that wealth, bringing in the different products, ideas, values, ideologies, ethics and knowledge.

    That is what makes a strong company, business, economy and helps make the world go around. If a company was to have the same people presenting the same ideas over and over, well that business would not thrive.. It would not be able to adapt to the markets either.

    If America believed that we could not be accepting of our differences then our trade will be kept to our borders, it will reduce the acceptance of other countries to work with us. It will create a hands off/better than thou attitude and low tolerance for other cultures.

    A good way to look at countries that sometimes don’t do well in surviving by maintaining a Secular mindset is maybe to take a look at some of the Middle Eastern Countries. Old School Ideas, mentalities, customs and beliefs have kept those countries stagnant.

    We must all remember It is how people accept or Not accept the differences that can create the problems.

    A way to always put this in perspective is that there was a time when all the continents were one solid mass, but they became divided along the way. Today, via transportation, telcommunications and Trade, the continents seem to be all joined togethor again.

  16. Brandon Guess what We have chased the american dream to Mexico. America is closed now because We built a fence to keep all the hard workers out.

    Illegal Immigrants Returning To Mexico For American Jobs
    May 3, 2006 | Issue 42?18 (www.theonion.com)

    MEXICO CITY?As dozens of major American corporations continue to move their manufacturing operations to Mexico, waves of job-seeking Mexican immigrants to the United States have begun making the deadly journey back across the border in search of better-paying Mexican-based American jobs.
    ‘I came to this country seeking the job I sought when I first left this country,’ said Anuncio Reyes, 22, an undocumented worker who recrossed the U.S. border into Mexico last month, three years after leaving Mexico for the United States to work as an agricultural day laborer. ‘I spent everything I had to get back here. Yes, it was dangerous, and I miss my home. But as much as I love America, I have to go where the best American jobs are.’
    A group of Mexican workers make the dangerous trek home across the Rio Grande for their lunch break.
    Reyes now works as a spot-welder on the assembly line of a Maytag large-appliance plant and earns $22 a day, most of which he sends back to his family in the U.S., who in turn send a portion of that back to the original family they left in Mexico. Like many former Mexican-Americans forced by circumstance to become American-Mexicans, Reyes dreams of one day bringing his relatives to Mexico so that they, too, may secure American employment in Mexico.
    Despite the considerable risk illegal immigrants face in returning across the border, many find the lure of large U.S. factory salaries hard to resist?at 15 percent of the pay of corresponding jobs in America, these positions pay three times what Mexican jobs do.
    Still, the danger is very real. When 31-year-old illegal Arizona resident Ignacio Jimenez sought employment at an American plant in Mexico, he was shot at by Mexican border guards as he attempted to illegally enter the country of his citizenship, pursued by U.S. immigration officials who thought he might be entering the country illegally, and fired upon again by a second group of U.S. Border Patrol agents charged with keeping valuable table-busing and food-delivery personnel inside American borders.
    ‘It was a nightmare,’ Jimenez said. ‘Many became disoriented and panicked, and some were mixed in with immigrants going the other way across the Rio Grande and ended up swimming to the wrong country.’
    He added: ‘My cousin almost drowned. They fished him out and sent him back to wash dishes at T.G.I. Friday’s.’
    Many say the trip across the border as illegal Mexican-American emigrants offers them a chance to land the American jobs in Mexico they never have been able to get as illegal Mexican-American immigrants in the U.S.
    ‘It has always been my goal to have a good American job,’ Johnson Controls technician Camilla Torres, 27, said. ‘Many Mexicans now see Mexico as the land of opportunity. Mexicans will not stop trying to get here, no matter how much the Mexicans wish we would not.’
    Indeed, the trend of illegal re-emigration is causing great resentment among the local Mexican population, and tension between Mexicans and illegally re-entered Mexicans?dubbed repatriados?continues to build.
    ‘I hate these Mexicans, always coming back here to Mexico from America and taking American jobs from the Mexicans who stayed in Mexico,’ said 55-year-old former Goodyear factory manager Juan-Miguel Diaz, who lost his job to a better-trained repatriado last March. ‘Why don’t they go back to where they went to?’
    Still, Jimenez, Reyes, and hundreds of others say they have no choice.
    ‘The American Dream is alive and well in Mexico,’ Reyes said. ‘If I work hard, save my money, and plan well, I will be able to send my children to a good school?and who knows? If they study hard, perhaps they will get jobs someday at the new plant General Motors is building in China.’

  17. Ted, Et All,
    Might be a good time to let everyone know that my earlier post was Satire.. A joke..
    The onion is a Satirical newsletter.


  18. ‘The dangerous trek across the border for their LUNCH BREAK?’ Pretty much sums it up, doesn’t it?

    Anyway, philosophically, I’m more of Brandon’s mindset on this whole issue than Karen’s (assuming these are the control limits of this particular discussion). But I thought this board was about sharing thoughts and ideas on talent acquisition?

    Here’s how America works. I own a construction company. I want to pay the smallest amount I can get away with to attract an A-Player backhoe operator. Why? Because I work 80 hours a week to deliver the best life for myself and my family that my efforts and creativity will produce. Less money in the operator?s pocket means more in mine and my family?s. Simple.

    This applicant over here is from someplace in Sonora State or Guatemala. He’ll drive my backhoe expertly, and gratefully, for $7.00 an hour and no benefits. I?m not sure how he got here. I know I?m supposed to care, but nobody in my government does and none of my competitors seem to. As they say in Costa Rica, what can you do?

    That applicant over there is from San Diego. He wants $24.00 an hour in wages and benefits to operate the same backhoe. He?s mad at the world that that?s what he does for a living, so after I hire him, he wants a paid 30-minute break in the morning and afternoon and an hour off for lunch. After he gets all that, he mutters constantly about my BMW and how we need a union around here. Then he comes to work hung over, ignores the marker flags and digs up a cable line.

    Pick any employer and any job, from Vegetable Picker to Programmer-Analyst to CEO. Every employer (yes, every single one, no matter how many Habitat for Humanity homes they make their employees build on weekends) wants to pay the least for the most, and every employee wants to earn the most for the least. This tension, liberated as much as possible from legislated ‘compassion’, has produced the most free and prosperous labor market in human history (Cuba, Iran, North Korea and Venezuela have yet to declare a ?border crisis?, as far as I know).

    Allow me to acknowledge that those at the bottom of the wage ladder always get hit the hardest by this. They get replaced by people like my grandfather, who came here (legally) from Italy in 1914 at age 16 with $45 hidden in his shoes. As he never seemed to tire of telling his grandchildren, ‘I took a job sorting coal away from some fat, lazy Irishman’ [ah, those were the days] because he didn’t want to work and I did, and for a lot less than him’. My grandfather went from there to make a fortune in the Pittsburgh commercial real estate market. When he died at 91 (still working, by the way), his business employed a dozen people and paid millions of dollars in taxes.

    And what became of the ‘Irishman’ he replaced? Maybe he died broke, or maybe he used the butt-kick my grandfather gave him to turn his dead-end life around. Frankly, it never mattered to my grandfather either way. And why should it have?

    The ‘common American culture’, insofar as the application of talent is concerned, has always been, ‘learn English, work hard, get paid what you’re worth (or what you can negotiate; but then, those are the same things, aren’t they?), learn something that makes you worth more, repeat.’ All this with no shrieking about ‘social justice’ or flag-waving in the streets.

    I welcome the majority of ‘illegals’ because, for the most part, they believe in this ethos. They come here willing to do more work for less money and with less whining than most soft, hopelessly clueless and overindulged Americans. And with a bit of backbone, we can make sure the relative few immigrants, percentage-wise, who behave otherwise wind up on one of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s road gangs or back home with microchips embedded in their spines.

    Immigrants, legal or otherwise, offer a reality check to the lazy who think the best they can command in life is minimum wage and the leeches that pass the entitlement mindset through the generations. For them and their children, the new competition presses them to bid their talents out for less or ?- imagine this? ? learn more to earn more. Either way, my heart does not go out.

    Our own history tells us that ?unskilled? immigrants fill the talent pool at the bottom, mostly, and so force the entire water column higher. ?Living wage? do-gooders and Minutemen types who would attempt in their own ways to interfere (always with the ‘best intentions’, of course) with this free flow of talent and energy have never gotten this, and never will.

    Most of my clients — privately of course ? say, ?I should have learned Spanish in High School, anyway. Bring ?em on?.

    I agree.

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